A "podcast" behind a paywall is not a podcast.
A "podcast" that only one app can receive is not a podcast.
A "podcast" without a public feed that can be freely pulled into any podcast client or RSS reader is not a damn podcast, don't let people get away with calling it that.
@Rob_T_Firefly YES YES YES!!!!
With no publicly available feed it is not a podcast!
Just posting a media file on a site is not a podcast!
I disagree, a podcast may require payment and I'd wish there would be a standard interface for that so podcatchers could handle it.
Currently we still need services like patreon for such constructs or massive manual work.
But donations seem also to work somehow. I'm just not sure if that's good enough for everyone.
@deusfigendi @Rob_T_Firefly I think there are some podcast hosts/clients that implement https://webmonetization.org, which at least, is a decentralized standard, for example: https://podlibre.org/castopod-supports-web-monetization/
@deusfigendi @Rob_T_Firefly Another option could be for something like @Castopod (which also federates), WriteFreely (that also now supports WebMonetization), and @peertube to also implement https://interledger.org/rfcs/0027-interledger-protocol-4 in addition, in order to give people more options of how to give to creators...
@Rob_T_Firefly If you can't download the file and save it for later listening without an internet connection then it's just sparkling streaming media.
@Rob_T_Firefly I'm mostly out of the loop on podcast culture as I can't do audio only content so don't pay much attention but isn't the only requirement that it is audio of people talking? I'm not sure why they can't charge for it or distribute it any way they want?
@phel @wolfie This is correct. Podcasting isn't about what's in the content of the audio, it's about the way in which it's distributed. It's about the particular combination of downloadable audio files and openly-syndicated RSS feeds.
It's like how there are a zillion ways to send text-based content around the Internet, but only one method using a certain category of software configured to automatically interoperate among users' devices in a particular manner can properly be called "email."
@Rob_T_Firefly and this would be why we hate PodBean lol, we can't seem to export an OPML file for shit but ~of course~ we can import one.
A scientific paper behind paywall is not a scientific paper. A scientific paper in a single journal is not a scientific paper. Etc
Parcast: '...and you can find this new show exclusively on Spotify...'
Me, listening to it on Antennapod: >:)
@Rob_T_Firefly I might agree with your second and third point, but a podcast behind a paywall is definitely a podcast, how else can we finally get rid of all the trackers and all the advertisement, etc. if we can't pay for quality content?
Don't fall into the trap to think that surveillance capitalism is the only option!
@jeena Speaking as a media-literacy educator and anti-advertising-industry activist and privacy advocate who makes non-commercial listener-supported radio as well as ad-free Creative-Commons-licensed podcasts and other artwork, I definitely agree that surveillance capitalism isn't the only option. 😎👍
@abloo IIRC it grew from a conversation I was having with a friend about stuff one particular big powerful audio-content provider was locking to their app only without public feds, and why I wouldn't wish to lock any of the podcasts I make away in any of those manners.
@Rob_T_Firefly By definition if I can’t point an old version of iTunes to an RSS feed to sync episodes to an iPod classic, it is not a podcast.
@kev @Rob_T_Firefly The gripe at top-of-thread is that "podcast" has a specific, technical definition. It's not right for e.g. Spotify to steal the name in order to monopolize the space. Just like broadcast TV had a technical definition. Or DVDs.
If we can't enjoy the podcast in the podcatcher of our choice it's not a podcast.
I'd probably loosen the paywall qualification a little... I do want creators to get paid!
@Rob_T_Firefly The Tao that can be told is not the eternal Tao.
The name that can be named is not the eternal name.
The nameless is the beginning of heaven and earth.
The named is the mother of ten thousand things.
@Rob_T_Firefly Totally support the openness of the format + OP's sentiment. But we're still at such an immature stage in both the distribution format(s) and the medium itself. We might be in that period of the format where its difficult to conceive of "motion picture" without the hand crank. At one point, the hand crank was integral to it's being a "movie", but there were other technical implementations that adopted the term later on. We might be seeing a similar shift, for better or worse.
A bunch of technomancers in the fediverse. Keep it fairly clean please. This arcology is for all who wash up upon it's digital shore.