@zpojqwfejwfhiunz

What the heck is this?

Also, what is deauth? Think I heard @thegibson say a drone killer could "death" so guess its related to that...?

Regardless, this looks cyber af, pretty cool.

@faehnrich @zpojqwfejwfhiunz

Deauth attacks cause a WiFi access point to lose connection with clients... basically a disruption of service that makes it easy to grab handshakes... or disrupt drones.

@thegibson @zpojqwfejwfhiunz

Aaahhh I see.

Drones use wifi? Heh, I don't know anything about drones either.

@faehnrich @zpojqwfejwfhiunz

consumer grade ones do... they act as an access point to be controlled by a phone.... They are usually running unsecured SSH as well... which means you can deauth, connect, and issue coomand like powerdown, shutdown, or poweroff... :)

@rgx @thegibson @faehnrich @zpojqwfejwfhiunz

I use this functionality a ton, I have a modified old nexus plus phone setup to do solely that, it just looks like a phone, kills wifi hard. (Fun to take to the local starbucks).

@seven

LOL, I imagine so. And more discrete when everyone looks around puzzled and pissed off. 😛

@thegibson @faehnrich @zpojqwfejwfhiunz

@rgx @thegibson @faehnrich @zpojqwfejwfhiunz

Indeed, old androids make for really awesome discrete devices for all kinds of things, especially if you don't care about them being able to function as a phone. And they are easy to get on the cheap if you don't already have a pile of them (I think I have like a shoe box full of them at this point).

@seven

I have a number of Windows Phones myself, was dragged and screaming to give up WP, so much nicer and better as an OS than Android or iOS.

iOS reminds me uncannily of Windows 3.1 Program Manager UI.

Bought an iPad last week, returned this week. No resizing option for those icons? Really? Nope.

will keep an eye open for vintage androids though, wife has a Nexus 4 collecting dust somewhere.

@thegibson @faehnrich @zpojqwfejwfhiunz

@rgx @thegibson @faehnrich @zpojqwfejwfhiunz

I highly recommend the nexus line of older phones, they are super hackable...

@faehnrich

Android is just a linux kernel with lipstick, for the most part the wifi bits are easy peasy known things, so you can abuse them at your leisure, it's making it work on a mobile provider wireless network that will trip you up (see libre 5 troubles), but spec wifi, is nothing, and fully doable especially on the nexus line cause it's more open than most kernel wise.

Once you own the driver, the rest is just "annoy the protocol" stuff, which could be done even accidentally (most of the sploits out there were discovered by accident).

@rgx @thegibson @zpojqwfejwfhiunz

@seven Don't know how to get to the linux part of an android. Like can I get to a command line somehow?

@faehnrich You can, have a look at the xda forums, and read up on the guides regarding rooting, su, rom installation, custom recovery. These are all the things you need to learn about to truly own your phone, and xda forums will definitely help you get there. (Don't brick your phone, and if you do, don't blame me)

Seriously though find some crap phone on craigslist or whatever to mess around with till you get the idea, read the guides, learn the process.

@faehnrich Remember phones these days are just computers, and computers do what they are told, they can't think for themselves, the user gives instructions, they follow, they don't know the user might be giving them bad instructions...

@seven
An old adage from my programming courses in college:

Computers do what you TELL them to do, not what you WANT them to do. :blobthinksmart:

@faehnrich

@seven Apple and Google don't want users to be able to anything with their phones though.

@faehnrich This is a misnomer, I think both vendors get a bad rap here for differing reasons. As long as you fully purchase the device, I'm not sure they care all that much. They both have an interest in keeping their platform going, to sell more hardware, but as long as the hardware sells, it's not really as big a concern as people tend to think.

In the case of androids, the locked down nature of the devices has more to do with the handset vendors than it does google, and that is tied into the refresh model of phones, and phone leases. Apple has any number of reasons for the locked down nature of the phone, but it's also a proprietary OS on their hardware specifically, so it's not really the same. The full "Apple" experience includes more than just a phone, not every iphone user even has all the things necessary to get there (watch, phone, pad, laptop, tv, airpods, homekit, carkit) the interconnectivity of these things should not be understated, it's seamless, convenient and reliable, with minimal user knowledge needed to setup.

Suffice it to say both Apple and Android hardware vendors (google doesn't really make them in the traditional sense) need you to buy next years model etc etc ad infinitum because they are in the business of selling handsets, so keeping their ecosystem running (getting users to buy into their respective eco systems) is important. It has nothing to do with what individuals do with their hardware, they could honestly care less once you actually own the device (which is actually a very small subset of users on a current device in the US) most of them are on subsidy of some kind, and aren't actually owned by the user at all, hence you can't do anything you want with a thing you don't own, and keeping you locked into the ecosystem helps ensure your 600-1200$ device that actually costs most double that or more with the payment scheme, continues to generate revenue for the makers and their partners the carriers.

Is there a real alternative? The open hardware phone makers would like to think there is. But they are entirely wrong, and no amount of FUD and hype will change the fact that you cannot purchase a truly open spec mobile modem chip. They simply do not exist, and even if they did (they don't and any maker saying they have one is fully lying) what chips attach to what mobile carrier network, is fully and completely controlled by the carriers. US carriers have no interest what so ever in open platform phones, as it would cut into their business model as they are also in the business of moving handsets (at excessive "lease" prices upwards of 3 times the retail cost of the device in payments) attached to multi year contracts that are considered "guaranteed" revenue on paper such companies can even burrow agains the subscriber contracts like any other loan.

As long as the mobile needs a carrier network to be useful, there will be no real open solution, sure you can make parts of it open, but there will always be a proprietary blob in there somewhere, to make it work like a mobile should.

@zpojqwfejwfhiunz

I mean, how do I not actually own one of these... and what is with this "sold out" bullshit?

@thegibson mine is on a slow boat, will post here when it arrives but before I brick it

@zpojqwfejwfhiunz think I found a source on tindie... going on the Christmas list.

@thegibson I ordered mine from dstike, the creator, although it was a little extra he said on GitHub there are fakes floating around. I wanted the watch format with 3D printed case which is newer too.

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