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So ... do we forgive GitLab and help them learn to be better ... or do we abandon them for smaller local alternatives run by people we know with organisations we trust to not want to sell us and our data?

@yojimbo I'm going to have to start going with self hosted everything because I'm really tired of constantly moving my stuff around because one day someone is trustworthy and the next day they're not.

@yojimbo Why not a bit of both? Some abandonment as well as offering of teachings. If they reject, then full abandonment. If they accept, there may be hope for them yet, and the ecosystem grows as the other projects gain some more usage.

@clarjon1 @yojimbo don't worry, you can always change your vote later*!

*unless their either go bankrupt or become a globe eating monopoly

@yojimbo My vote is definitely the latter, but a while back I went all the way to "running my own Phabricator instance" in my move away from GitHub, so GitLab has always seemed to me like an insufficient step. Obviously the practical realities for everyone may not be the same.
@thegibson

They bailed on rolling out metrics and analytics.

@yojimbo

I'm willing to forgive (for now) and keep an eye on their MO going forward. If they make this f' up a habit, bail.

If they continue to listen and react in an appropriate fashion, keep recommending them for bigger git deployments.

Gitea IMHO if you can afford a mini-server deployment.

@kemonine @yojimbo

Yeah, if it’s tos stuff, I am ok with forgivable.

They adjusted based on feedback.

@thegibson

They were going to deploy something akin to Matamo/Piwik/etc and people threw a fit.

They walked it back today with a massive e-mail blast to their users. I got no less than 4 e-mails about them apologizing.

@yojimbo
@kemonine @thegibson @yojimbo

I would rec sourcehut over gitlab for new infra tbh gitlab is a huge pain to operate. gitea is a good girl, but I'm happy with cgit
@xj9

I've run Gitea and GitLab. GitLab is good from an org perspective IMHO. Lots of handy features but you gotta be willing to throw some brains and time at it but it gets you a self-hosted "GitHub" which is all the rage with the children of today.

Gitea is one of those "just works well" deployments which I <3. Then again I have an instance deployed and one of their devs pointed me in the direction of a small sponsorship which I was able to obtain so... I'm a giant bit biased towards Gitea.

@thegibson @yojimbo
@kemonine @thegibson @yojimbo

I can't stand the hub model tbh

rly happy sourcehut exists and embraces the mailing list workflow
@xj9

I can appreciate that. I'm hoping Gitea will eventually try to tackle some kind of federated approach.

The hub model is very fiddly for greatly distributed groups.

Another reason GitLab is better in an organization than for OSS

@thegibson @yojimbo
@xj9

Helps for cross project collab between separate Gitlab instances.

Fork to your personal gitlab push a merge request to remote gitlab

@thegibson @yojimbo
@xj9

That assumes e-mail is something well known or willing to be disclosed

@thegibson @yojimbo
@xj9

I have had 0xDEADBEEF as a valid git e-mail in the past.

That also implies I'd be using a non-throwaway e-mail for commits that are "visible"

@thegibson @yojimbo
@kemonine @thegibson @yojimbo

all I'm saying is that mailing list workflow is productive. if people feel like they need to make a new shiny version of something that isn't broken and has worked for at least a decade that's up to them.

@thegibson They told everyone that they were going to add third-party activity trackers to all their website UI. Then when everyone freaked at them, they decided that they were not going to.

Of course, they still need the analysis of 'who is using what feature', so they'll still implement the tracking JS, just hosting it in their namespace.

@yojimbo idk we (ssg) already run independent infra so it doesn't matter much
@yojimbo for reference, abyss will most likely run a gitea instance once we have infra for it
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