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With the state of Mozilla and Chrome... Is Edge the safest Mass-market browser?

I mean, I'm trolling a little, but not entirely.

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@thegibson Not since they switched out for the Chrome OSS baseline...

Their own engine was the better call and at this point...

We're fucked

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@thegibson @binder not entirely

it's probably the most degoogled Chromium fork

(Opera is probably the other contender for most degoogled Chromium fork, but considering that it's owned by a Chinese company that's also doing illegally usurious loan sharking in Africa...)

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@bhtooefr @thegibson Idunno, I'll just stick with
M-x eww

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@thegibson Eww eww eww! I think our safest bet is Lynx.

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@john I said mass-market for a reason...

but yes, a newer challenger needs to emerge.

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@thegibson Honestly, I still think Firefox is doing well. I know the underlying org is making some weird choices, but the browser hasn't suffered yet. And since it _is_ OSS, a fork is possible. Maybe we'll get a great fork like OpenOffice -> LibreOffice?

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@john My concern is the amount of Google money they have taken on recently.

But yes, a fork may be necessary.

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@john @thegibson there's already iceweasel/icecat (gnuzilla project is gnu forks if mozillla stuff, icecat is a part of it), but it's damned near abandoned (no release in over a year). Turns out it's a LOT of work to maintain a browser, and that it's a fork of a mainstream one doesn't save as much work as you'd hope. :(

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@calcifer @thegibson Isn't Iceweasel trying to maintain pre-web extensions Firefox, though?

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@john @thegibson I don't think that's the main goal, but yeah that's about the age of the fork

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@john @thegibson There's also Waterfox, which is a 64-bit rebuild of Firefox. I can't speak for their team, know nothing about them, and am not advocating for them, but I know they exist.

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@john @thegibson I prefer `links` myself, but they're both good choices.

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@orrery @thegibson I was mostly joking. @thegibson is right that he said "mainstream".

(I *should* have said Dillo. That's mainstream, right?)

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@orrery @thegibson I think the *real* problem is there are really only two rendering engines, and *everybody* is picking one when they build a "new" browser (Konqueror is KHTML which is the grandparent of Blink). It's honestly a shame Microsoft gave up in Triton, 'cause at least that meant another engine.

Of course, the barrier to entry to make an actually new browser is like...so high you'd need a rope or a ladder or something to get over it, so...

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@TheGibson . . . not to blindly put trust in open source tech, but that's probably the only reason firefox is my go to. . .

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@thegibson how is Firefox not doing it for you?

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@mhoye It's what I'm using... just a lot of concerns have been voiced about mozilla's investment for Google.

Just trying to get some conversation going.

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@thegibson It's a reasonable concern. If it's of any use to you, we spend a ton of time and effort making sure that our products are an expression of our values, not our paycheques. To a first approximation, zero people get our products preinstalled, and 100% of our users came to us through a perfectly usable competing product. A competent alternative is never more than three clicks away. So, upholding the promises we've made to our users is an existential issue for us.

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@mhoye I don't dislike Mozilla at all... just keeping an eye on things. I am posting this reply from Firefox 81.02 . :)

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@thegibson 82 just came out, get that upgrade!

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@mhoye Lol, it was queued!... done!

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