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Addresses and phone numbers both require money and stability to retain. They can't be the only fallbacks from facebook. Email is better, fediverse is far better. When imagining fallbacks, imagine displaced populations without steady income. They need safety checkins, video calls, chat with presence notification, photo albums, goofy meme threads, fundraisers... Facebook has done a good job of positioning itself as a one-stop connectivity provider.

And yet, when I was among full time camper folks, the big thing they recommended was (and I lost the name of it) a service for recording and uploading very brief videos. They used it like an "answering machine" or a "greeting card" to carry on non-realtime video chats. Think what scifi shows for a family on mars picking up brief video messages from home.

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@feonixrift we’ve become to accustom to continuous internet connection that it’s easy to forget just how powerful and resource thrifty asynchronous communication systems are.

Things like autonomous mesh networks become trivial to build when they only need to support asynchronous applications.

@requiem @feonixrift If I remember right, the /fastest/ a round-trip message to Mars and back is 16 minutes.

Our communication habitss are not future-proof.

@requiem reminds me of the old days of store-and-forward BBS messaging networks.. Wildnet.. Fidonet.. etc. I was a tween marooned in American Siberia, but I could talk to kids in London on a volunteer-run network. Round trip time was around 5 days at that time (~1990). @feonixrift

@deutrino @feonixrift exactly.

I built a sneakernet version of this that let me send mail between my Apple II at home and my friends on a network of Apple II’s at the public high school.

One of these guys would run a floppy disc over when they came to my house for lunch that carried the messages to sync.

With the cheap tech we have now, I think we could easily cover continents this way, and perhaps further with shortwave, etc.

@requiem it's going to become important after any serious collapse.
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@deutrino @feonixrift really the only thing I don’t have a turnkey answer for is some kind of addressing scheme that works w/o centralized name resolution. We use DNS and MX records for this now, and maybe we could keep using dns in an async-oriented network, but I don’t know how off the top of my head :)

@requiem @deutrino I've seen whitepapers on this so I know there are some at least mathematically viable ideas out there, just don't recall what they are atm.

@feonixrift @deutrino agreed, I even think there may be a way to use DNS this way (asynchronous name database replication) I just don’t know enough about it now.

Probably should learn, especially with all this registrar shenanigans coming up.

@feonixrift @deutrino it’s funny how often I go looking for something new, only to find some ancient Unix too that already does most of it...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UUCP

@deutrino @requiem @feonixrift I remember when email could take as long to get there as "snail mail" over UUCP and FidoNet links that only dialed during off-peak hours.

Store-and-forward is also facilitated by the ephemeral nature of the messages. People are much more willing to hang onto others' messages when it's for a limited time.

Authenticated encryption also makes it possible to do this securely.

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SSB is a "gossip protocol," to supply your search terms

Bandwidth isn't going away (apart from a violent cataclysm), but low latency connections are a consequence of prioritizing the needs of capital to re-establish time-efficient global networks over resource efficient networks with higher latency. When the government of India wanted to provide communication infrastructure for their rural citizens, they launched satellites. When Facebook wanted to provide connectivity for neighboring nations they used... balloons?

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