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Adblocking, old man yells at cloud 

I grew up on dialup. 1200bps, max. I remember what it was like to get anything done at that speed, and now that it's no longer a thing I wouldn't inflict it upon anyone. That's why I try to keep my stuff as lightweight as possible, with as few deps as possible.

Treat others as you'd want to be treated, right?

A couple of years back I went to an HTML5 meetup and hung out with a bunch of web developers. I suck at web design (so much so that I didn't bother to try to write a new theme for my website, I used one that someone else made and tweaked it a little). One of the webdevs noticed that I use a couple of adblockers and yelled at me for taking money out of his mouth. That one cannot eat money, and that he gets paid a (much larger) salary (than I do) is beside the point.

So I put my laptop on the local network (Windbringer had been tethered to my mobile - OPSEC, ya' know) and asked him for the URL of the website he works on. He gave it to me. I opened it in a bare Firefox profile (no addons, no config tweaks, new right out of the box). His precious website loaded fully after just under three minutes.

Then, to make things fair, I rebooted Windbringer, got back on the local wireless, and opened it in my usual Firefox profile, with all the adblockers turned on. His website loaded in about five seconds.

"Your website loads so much tracking garbage up front that your page won't load in less than three minutes. I don't have time for that." And I left.

Unsurprisingly, I haven't been invited back, but my point stands - too much crap means your page won't load in a reasonable period of time.

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@drwho
sounds like you #adBlock'ed your schedule from an annoying meetup too. ;)

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@FiXato In a way, I guess I did, yeah. :D

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@drwho well the three minute part sounds greatly exxagarated, he'd be fired for that, but your point is very valid. Also admire the OPSEC, you're more disciplined than I am

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@syme Nope, he timed it on his watch. He probably thought I was running a line on him. He was very upset.

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@drwho 3 minutes is just... Idk even if you include a facebook Pixel, Google tag manager and piwik you won't have 3 minutes. No one will ever use a site that loads three minutes. If that really took so long he shouldn't work with computers ever

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@syme Ghostery found and blocked 77 elements on his page. All of them were loaded from external URLs, and slowed it way the hell down.

People do put up with it, though. They blame the browser, usually.

Over the years, users have more or less been conditioned to treat computers as fallible, fragile, and unreliable. Windows 95 updates b0rking boxen were a thing, and over time it lead to people not patching their stuff. Web browsers crashing because people wrote bad HTML and Javascript lead people to stop switching browsers. Comcast taught people to be overly patient with shitty websites.

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@syme @drwho Trying to understand, how was opsec improved? Simply don't understand what a Windbringer is.

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@RadicalEdward @drwho The fact that he used his mobile connection instead of a unknown wifi.

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@RadicalEdward @syme I can mostly trust my mobile. And if I really need to, I can run all of the tethered traffic over my VPN. I don't trust whatever wifi networks happen to be in the area if I don't run them.

Windbringer is the recognition code for my laptop.

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@drwho When I use my wife's computer (which does not block much), the web is nearly insufferable, and that's with a good connection.

Sites like the CBC and The Globe and Mail are insane in how much junk is loaded.

Adblockers make web browsing partly tolerable. Without it and I'd probably just read old books in the library all day.

Maybe I should, since I am also an old man yelling at clouds.

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@drwho Here's an article about @aral's experiment with a clickbait site using gazillions of trackers...
observer.com/2016/10/aral-balk

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@drwho Ah, that's why all the begging to disable adblocks etc.: they're just hungry for money, who'd have thought!

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@amiloradovsky That's what happens when your entire business plan is "sell user telemetry data."

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@drwho lmao damn that's hilarious

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@RLetot @drwho lmao holy fucking shit I never go to USA Today but my god they are one of the worst offenders I've ever seen

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@radicalrobit @RLetot I think that's down a little.

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@RLetot Not enough sites have done what they did.

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@drwho oh poor #webdev. Making money by mentally abusing unsuspecting people and selling off their data is hard, especially when the victims don't bend over backwards to facilitate it. Would someone please think of the adtech devs?

@drwho I see http as a fundamentally pull protocol, not a push one. If I'm visiting a website in a client that doesn't support images, I'm not blocking images, I'm simply not requesting them, same with all the tracking garbage. It's a misnomer to call it "blocking", I'm just not asking for them. To pretend that that's some kind of hackery and breaking the website, is disingenuous at best, as there's nothing in the way that the web works that requires websites to be packaged in a certain way.

@trickster
Ultimately, this is why companies are so eager to get "apps" out. It puts them back in control.

So much nope.

@drwho

@trickster @drwho remember when Netscape 3 and other graphical browsers of the day had a separate Images button to download images in a web page?

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@drwho
> a couple of adblockers. Can you say which adblockers do you use?

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@yura Ghostery. uBlock Origin. There were two others I was running at the time, but I don't remember what they were because the two I just listed got good enough that they weren't adding anything useful.

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@drwho Yes. In my guide to a faster world wide web site, the first thing I advise is to get rid of javascripted ads and trackers. You can show ads: just process them in server-side script and optimize the images. You can use trackers: just program them in server-side script and store the data for asynchronous processing. It takes some thought and effort, but it makes a site very, very fast.

Heavy websites 

@drwho this is not fully relevant but the non-technical parts of my social circle also includes a few web designers who are actually graphic designers who also do web design. They get a quite a bit of work and build plenty of sites, except they exclusively use Wix, do not really know HTML/CSS/JS and have no idea or interest in optimising the result.

So even without trackers the site usually takes forever and a half to load. 🤷

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@drwho

Oof. Analyze your diet if you need graphs in your life. Then offer good, speedy content and see if folks will pitch in for it.

@drwho if you don't watch ads i can't keep doing my job incompetently!

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@drwho
There is absolutely something to be said about respecting users' other resources too. Millions of web users are on batteries now and most of the web runs like this.

@drwho “Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away.”

― Antoine de Saint-Exupéry, Airman's Odyssey

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@drwho
See icon.
So...do you miss webrings, too?

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@AesAthena They /did/ teach me how to write spiders...

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